Ok, so we need to make an official descision on what to do about Nick. Obviously, as his creator, Wiles gets final say. Due to his involvement in several stories already I'm heistant to abandon him altogether.
What we do know: He became immortal sometime during Warehouse 1's reign, possibly just after. History recorded him as dead and he was missing for many hundreds of years, possibly resurfacing from time to time under different aliases. He finally returned to the Warehouse during Warehouse 13's time, where his identity became officially known.
And through whatever artifact made him immortal, we likely shouldn't break from the canon logic that to defy death will incur a very significant downside. And given that a lot of his army died in a desert on the way back to Babylon after the initial conquest of India, I'd say that's a good place to start. As could be the death of his probable lover Hephaestion.
Well we've implied that whatever made him truly immortal is linked to the Tree and the Caretaker's immortality, but altered in some way. Perhaps the "life-for-a-life" effect is in place? Or maybe something happened to give him the cumulative lives of everyone who died. I imagine it was a LOT of people, that could have lasted him well into the present day. Assuming the average life expectancy was between 40 and 60-ish (probabaly way off there), it would take only around 40 people or so to last him 2000 years. He likely has a lot more left to burn.
-raises hand- Hi, uh, not sure about you guys but I'm not really a fan of losing one of our OCs. Plus, Wiles did write an extension to the finale where Nick/Alexander was still around for when the Warehouse eventually became a planetoid structure and aliens were employeed.
I actually wouldnt mind it. I mean, Alexander/Nick is a old OC of mine I made when I was pretty infant to the whole site and Warehouse 13. I think perhaps an erasure from time would be a better option for him, only remembered by the Warehouse crew or sent to an alternate universe where he would exist and leave the regular Warehouse crew in a universe where he didnt really become immortal not changing the lore all too much.
As someone who's attached to all of our characters, I would rather not have that. Too sad, even if you make it so he somehow goes willingly.
Plus, even minor things have seriously s consequences. He's been with every Warehouse, and helped WH13 in ways I can't remember. Not to mention that unwritten but accepted storyline on the RP wiki where he turned evil or something? That was plot relevant!
And he's still a big help to the Warehouse, at least now. Plus, 5+ years as a character just to eject him from the universe is such a complete waste, there's no need to do such a thing. For now, I think we should just try to clean up the artifacts and their connection to each other. Don't forget the Death Instrument page too.
But permanently? Besides, he's sort of already been turned evil before (it wasn't written into a full story, but "episode recaps" are on the RP wiki) and he survived through and stayed after that.
Plus, our characters also have that potential for all of those things to happen to them, and a few both canon and here have been captured, turned against the Warehouse, or have been forced to give up info.
Nick has been with the Warehouse since, literally, day one. it;s probable he'd know things the rest wouldn't. And if his immortality could be reverse-enginered somehow, of mind controlled and used as an immortal soldier...
Hey Wiles, can you draw up the floorplan for WH 9, I think it is just an extended version of the minatour's labyrinth. Remember, do this when you can please, it would be nice to have a map for every WH well except WH 13 you know because it is always growing. Please, do this while you can ok.
Your welcome. Oh if you do WH 1, I think it is mosaic floors and just a cluster of rooms and hallways. Maybe it is just a wooden fortress with shelves but who knows. WH 4 and WH 5 will have almost the same layout, also WH 6 will be tricky but the rest should be easy. :)
Well you have to remember Alexander the Great is regarded as one of the greatest military leaders in history who concur much of the known world. Im sure he had the funds to build anything he wanted xD.
Hey Wiles. I'm having an issue, and since you have infinitely better software and skills, perhaps this is more in your ability range than mine. I had a cool idea to have a couple of the Display Cards be animated, in the few cases where it's applicable. As you may recall, I use Powerpoint to make my cards, which works great customizing each one and turning it into an image. However, my efforts to turn the GIF cards into individual pieces of work has been . . . . less than successful. I can get the images to work (occasionally) on the slideshow, but when I try to save it as a GIF image, it stops working. I have all the information on the cards figured out, just not a "working card" (I'm planning on saving each image to a flashdrive or SD card and putting it into a digital picture frame. I've no clue if that'll work or if it needs to be a different type of file, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it). So, I was wondering if you might be able to work your wondrous magic on it?
Hey Wiles. I had Draco go through some of the pictures that Griff added during his brief tenure here as site pest, and he found accurate images for most of them. However, there were a few he can't find, and I was wondering if you could either draw or, if applicable and you feel like it, make some. Draco found out some things about some of these, and I'll include those findings here as well. Hopefully you can do something with them. The artifacts are these:
Chimariko Tribe Shaman Drum (I did find out that they may have used basket drums, and were find of simple geometric patterns on wicker.)
Timon of Athens's Toga (A simple white toga on a mannequin is hard to find, actually, especially one that would be as worn and ruined as Timon's likely would have been.)
Ludwig II of Bavaria's Cloak (Ludwig II was a proud nobleman from the 19th century, and would have had no business wearing a cloak of any sort. Unless it's meant the ermine one used for coronations, but that was likely a legacy item used for successive rulers if he even wore it at all. The only picture I can see of it is in portraits, and those were never really posed for in the way we imagine.)
Amulet of Hapi (Whoever did the page for the Hapi amulet is making it very difficult. No chance of finding something exactly as described on the page, I won't even look. That's a Wiles job, although the description doesn't even seem possible in an ancient Egyptian minimalistic style.)
Vlad III's Hat (Would you believe that in 600+ years, no-one has made an decent replica of the hat/crown from that famous portrait? No-one. Apparently wasn;t even his real crown, since the Wallacian crown looks very different. I couldn't even find a source telling me what kind of hat/crown it even is. Seems to be unique to him.)
Hey, Wiles. I have a question about the index cards on the display cards. Do you know what all of the initialed stuff means, per chance? Specifically, PRH, LLAP, and NNSP. I'm asking Garr as well, but I thought since you have made so many display cards, maybe you had some idea what they might mean. Or if you had any guesses as to what they did mean? I already Googled the initials, but nothing really stood out for those three as something one could adapt to artifact storage?
Did you happen to save any of the images from the auction, specifically the cards? I was hoping to see the card for Horace Westlake Frink's Bronze Baby Shoes, just to get the proper wording for the effects and a source to include on the wiki. I was stupid not to have done so myself.
Phew, saved a ton of photos and bookmarked a bunch more to download tommorrow, but definitely not all of them. The site doesn't list all of the auctions, unfortunately, so stuff with cards like the Barometer, Roman Shrapnel, and Bronze Shoes, are still out there.
-sigh- If only we can then consider it canon, oh well. I can't for the life of me figure out what the chain mail in the connected auction is though. It says it's from "87's Death" or something? I'm thinking it's from the Ren Faire episode, belonging to either Death or the guy fighting him, since the show only has 65 or so episodes, not 87, so that's out.
Also, about the Norse Hammer on the main wiki, where did you get that image? I know there was an actual prop, since i have the collector's card of it, but I don't know if it was auctioned or not. Did you get the image from the auction, or somewhere else?
Additionally, are you sure we should keep the image you used of Spartacus' Retiarius Net? Because I'm not sure if the image currently there is of the prop from the show or from Blood and Sand. If it's from the latter, shouldn't we get rid of it? We got rid of the placeholder images for Queen Victoria's Wedding Cake and the Berlin Wall Stone.
EDIT: And where on earth did you get such a bright, clear picture of Edison's Stagecoach? I didn't think it was in the auction, and I'm watching one video which not only is pretty dark and low quality, but shows the coach from a completely different angle.
Oh well. I remember seeing someone's collection of ebay auctions on their ebay profile (I think it was their profile anyway). It was sorta like Pinterest's ability to create boards, if I recall correctly. There, I was able to look at some of Helena's clohtes, but I can't remember how I found it or if that still works with closed auctions.
Speaking of which, I tried using ebay's search options to look for either "Completed Listings" or "Sold Listings" (not sure what the difference is), since I was told that was able to search for finished auctions. Nothing. Maybe because the auctions were so long ago, I'm not sure.
Didn't want to clutter the Artifact ADvice message wall with a new unrelated topic, but I thought I'd let you know I found a picture of the official Van Doren Brush prop so that you can update the image on the canon wiki. Interestingly enough, it comes with a dustpan as well. I don't think it's bifurcated, but why else would it be there? Unless the WH would want to keep the entire set regardless of whether only one piece of it is an artifact or not. I'll upload it when I can.
hey, now that you;re back and all, do you think you can draw us some more pics for the weirder artifacts? I know you're probably busy, but you've always been the go-to guy for that and we've yet to find a replacements. Although Aff is pretty into art, he has a LOT on his plate as is.
I'm back and I got a new plan. Going to do groups of artifacts at a time that are related, like those on a section or specific page. When I do some of yours, like Richard Owens bayonet, I'll leave the effects to a bare minimum. Some I will be unsure of how to expand upon or what you would like written to describe the effects as you envision it. Is it alright for some pages if I make the basic template for you, infobox and origins filled, and you complete the effects?
For Scalec: On the umade artifacts page, could you make the ones for the artifact roadshow? There's only five left and I feel I won't get to those in a while, but I want them to get done. I think they're all within the first 5-10 pages of the blog. If you feel something requires major edits or should just all together be removed, go ahead. I trust your judgement. Also, if you see any other artifacts there that intrest you enough, import them here. Here's the link. Thanks.
For Wiles: What can I say, you've come up with a lot over the years. By my count, there are at least 70 credited to you that are still unmade which have effects. Those of yours that do and don't have effects are on the unmade artifacts page, but I think there are some in particular you should look over. These I'm not sure how to expand upon the effects in detail from the sentence or two given, so I ask you to write what you want. Here's the list . These ones in particular you should check out. Thanks for reading.
Richard Owen's Bayonet, Edwin H. Armstrong's Radio Parts, Ed Hardy's Shoelaces, Anton LeVey's Bible, Oliver LeVasseur's Sword - Basically does the same thing as Henry Morgan's sword and blackbeard's chains
I remeber deleting the Bleeder. I was going through the list and cropped some that had too much for one person. As for the ladle, I can shed light on that. To a degree. Macphereson was a farmer who had bumper crops with better flavour yields. The locals insisted he'd made a deal with the Devil, probably out of envy. It was in an episode of Antiques Roadshow, I'll see if I can't find it.