Talk:Chalice of Dionysus/@comment-3270170-20161024022720/@comment-24588058-20170809225110

Yeah, that's a good point. The picture doesn't really line up, does it? Although from what I can tell, Dionysus is a Greek God, so if the artifact is pre-Jesus, then the effects line up. In terms of origin, of course. You're probably right about the Jesus and Wine thing, though. I'm not good at remembering biblical stories.

Also, having now looked up Dionysus, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that this is the Holy Grail (sorry to bring this up again). I can see this being linked to Christianity pretty easily, considering it matches the water-to-wine story and effects matching up. But if we're talking a link to the Holy Grail, I'm not sure this is the best match to it.

That being said, I did so a little bit of research (I plan to do more). The Holy Grail was first mentioned in Perceval, le Conte du Graal, an unfinished romance written by Chrétien de Troyes around 1190. Here, it is a processional salver used to serve at a feast. Wolfram von Eschenbach who perceived the grail as a Stone. In the late 12th century, Robert de Boron wrote in Joseph d'Arimathie that the Grail was Jesus's vessel from the Last Supper, interweaving it with the legend of the Holy Chalice (the cup from the Last Supper).

However, the likeliest TRUE origin of the Holy Grail comes from Celtic legends, which has mentions of magical cauldrons (helping to give rise to the idea that it is a chalice/cup, rather than a stone, and then being linked to the Last Supper). This likely combined with the Eucharist of Christianity and helped resulted in the Holy Grail. That being said, perhaps the Holy Grail is an artifact whose origins not only lie in Celtic mythology, but perhaps it became an artifact in the first place after the legend grew in the 1200s, and someone holy (as pictures appear to have been started to be made depicting the Grail around this time) created it.

Personally, I prefer the idea that it was Celtic in origin and, like you suggested above, it got adopted by Christianity as a symbol of the Eucharist, though much later than you initially suggest. What do you think?